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The cashier who sold me salted peanuts says "dead animal can swim." She looks at her hands. But dead animal can't swim. It's buried in beauty and beauty floats through the air. Maybe you can bury beauty in a balloon and tie it to a mailbox. "I don't know" says the cashier while she smells the dead animal that is dead inside of her. "There is no time for these questions when there is living fire that does not yet live here." So we set to burning the gas station. We run away. We run up a hill to where music is handing out free emotions with no memories. The cashier climbs in through music's translucent body and becomes its memory. Together we sing you are not lonely, you are not lonely, you are not lonely while stars fall down through beauty and salt the burnt earth.
"you can not bury
the beauty of the worth born
into your care"
-from January 31st by *FuzzyHoser
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normalMADcat Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Student Traditional Artist
 No wonder I struggle in my english subject, I can't explain the words but I can feel it. Thank you for this. ~
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
You are very kind, and I'm so glad you felt something with this piece. You have my gratitude.
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SkyCanvas86 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

I think it's talking about food (dead animal) swimming in your stomach (body) and you go for a run to burn the calories.

I just don't know what the mailbox was about.:shrug:

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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
Neither do I, I'm afraid! But thank you for reading. I am intrigued by your interpretation.
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SkyCanvas86 Featured By Owner Jul 25, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
and the buried beauty that floats through the air is the smell of the food
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lollirotcat Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Student Writer
Congrats on the DD. This piece is very interesting!
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
Why thank you!
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lollirotcat Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013  Student Writer
You're welcome! :)
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer

There seems to be a lot of discussion about what this work is or isn't. And, it is great to have this discussion. To start, it's categorized properly. If you aren't sure what transgressive poetry is, this is an example.

 

It's important to remember that there are many artists we tout as genius' today that were thought to be making a muddled mess in their time. Artists see the world in a new way first and express it. Then, science follows. Then, the rest of the world (kicking and screaming, but eventually). When confronted with a work that irks you or confounds you ~ look deeper. You will either find why it bothers you and this will only help your own work. Or, you will find why it confounds you and it will help you in living your life more fully.

 

It's not the work that is the issue. It is the observer. And, every work of art needs you to pull your weight when viewing or reading it. It's not a one-sided discussion. Questions are posed. It is your job as the viewer/reader to hear them and then to ponder them.

 

You can still hate the work. But, for fucks sake, try to find something beyond the nearest rock to throw at what doesn't please your senses straightaway.

 

Art should be disturbing and difficult whenever possible. And, this work is definitely pushing a lot of buttons for some reason. I hope those who feel their buttons being pushed dive a bit deeper and figure out why. Because that will be truly interesting to see expressed.

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Azureran Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist
I must admit I don't read a lot of experimental writing but I absolutely love the line "music is handing out free emotions with no memories"!
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
Oh wonderful! Thank you so much.
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TheGalleryOfEve Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Congratulations on your well-deserved DD!!! :iconflyingheartsplz::iconlainloveplz::iconflyingheartsplz: :clap::clap::clap:
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
Thank you very much!
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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
This is NOT poetry, it's a paragraph of prose.
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer

 This is more poetic than prose for its key inflection is imagery versus descriptive expression. Transgressive poetry is meant to violate superficial boundaries. And free verse transgressive poetry is just that ~ an open form not bound by any specific shape or form. In fact, it can sound like prose to someone that is only looking for surface rhythm patterns. This is poetry. It's just not Dr. Suess.

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TheseKrimzonFlames Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
We each see things quite differently.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
The above piece of literature would be regarded as an example of 'prose poetry.' :)
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shardsofmyworld Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
I loved this
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2013
So glad to hear it! Thank you.
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
That was absolutely wonderful.
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
Thank you very much! For saying so and also for defending the work elsewhere on the page. I am so glad that some people have found something worthwhile here. And I suppose it is also inevitable that some will find the poem merely confusing or even distasteful. As you say, poetry and beauty exist in the relationship between the reader and the text, so I try not to take any negative comments personally. 
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013   Writer
You are very welcome. I understand that critique is helpful. Sometimes it can help the writer or artist shed a new light on something in the shadows and that is always helpful. I just prefer constructive critiscm with the intention to help versus destructive with the intention to harm. And, whilte there are useful things to be found there as well, it just seems the intention muddies the water in those cases.
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2013
Oh yes absolutely. I suppose it must be ego at play in those cases. Someone wants to think highly of their own work, so they disparage any work that is coming from a different place or trying to achieve something else than they are.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
You seem to have misclassified your short Piece of incoherent Fiction, which appears to suffer from a rather inelegant repetition of certain Words and Constructions.
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InAnOrdinaryWay Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I hate attitudes and comments like yours. you're just criticizing the piece without making any attempt to be constructive. What was the point in saying something like that? It doesn't help them in any way and really it just makes you come off as arrogant. Your comment was blatantly a sarcastic remarked disguised as a critique. The author obviously sees this piece as poetry not prose and it was obviously written that way. Your comment was basically a more eloquent way of saying 'lol no'. You can dress it up anyway you like, a troll is still a troll.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 26, 2013   Writer
I seem to have missed this Comment somehow; the Purpose was to say that this is a Piece of very short and very incoherent Fiction erroneously classified as Poetry. I do not deny, nor do I apologise, for the sardonic Fashion in which I stated it; I am well aware the Author fancies it a Poem — why else would he have classified it as such? — but there is absolutely no reasonable Case whatever for it to be called such: it has none of the structural Properties of Poetry, as a Circle has none of the structural Properties of a Square.

I am also not technically a Troll; I did not mean to agitate or inflame the Author, though I make no Pretention to being nice. As for Constructiveness, sometimes something must be demolished in order for something to be built.
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InAnOrdinaryWay Featured By Owner Jul 28, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm sorry but the original comment came just came off as inflammatory. which is why it seemed more like trolling. you just tore something down and left without giving them the tools to rebuild. why couldn't you have just dropped off a helpful piece of advice before leaving. why not tell them the words you found too repetitive, or tell them a way to make their constructions less repetitive. it's like someone critiquing an art piece and going "there's something wrong with the background" well thanks for that, that was helpful. want to be more precise or shall I just stab around in the dark until I get what's wrong with it.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2013   Writer
I believe the Crux of what you wish to know is why I was not nicer, and the shortest Answer is that this Piece did not deserve such Forbearance; the Author misclassified this Work, and I have 'called him out' on it, as have some others who have not been duped by its Nonsensicallity into thinking it is really something profound when it is of a Depth rather lower than the Puddle an Icecube might leave upon hot Pavement. Leaving a 'helpful piece of advice' would not have addressed the true Problem with the Work, and that is that it is, in the literal Sense of the Word, not Poetry. Until this is Acknowledged, there is nothing I can do to help this Author, as he does not even known what he is writing. I will make no Apology for what I have said, and neither would I need to even had I simply said 'lol no', as you originally accused, for that Response would have been nowise unwarranted.
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InAnOrdinaryWay Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
"Leaving a 'helpful piece of advice' would not have addressed the true Problem with the Work, and that is that it is, in the literal Sense of the Word, not Poetry. Until this is Acknowledged, there is nothing I can do to help this Author" hmm really, oh reeeaaallly. that's what you're going with. you could have just said that you didn't agree with the way to piece was categorized and then left it at that if that was your intention. no one would have been offended. but no you had to add "which appears to suffer from a rather inelegant repetition of certain Words and Constructions so what was the point of that if not to antagonize the author. If you don't believe you can do anything to help the author improve then why state your opinion at all, why not just keep it to yourself. you were quite obviously posting that comment with the intent of offending the author which is exactly what trolls do.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 31, 2013   Writer
It is not that I 'disagree' with the Categorisation of the Piece, it is that it is patently incorrect, and saying so was bound to offend somebody; do you not grasp the Fact that I do not care if this offends anybody, and, further, that I find your Objections and Accusations entirely asinine — a Troll inflames for the Sake of Inflaming (I shall here remind you that it is unclear to me whether or not I have actually offended the Author, as he has not answered me directly, and neither does he appear to intend to; if you know him personally and are speaking for him, then you ought to have said so). The Mention of the stylistic Inelegance was meant to be, if not 'Food' for Thought, perhaps a mental Snack — something on which to chew if the Author ever got his own Ideas for how to improve his Work, either as an actual Poem or a more coherent Story; I may, after all, be in Error regarding the Salvageability of this Piece of Writing, and the Author may transform it into something worthwhile, however unlikely that seems at this Point.

If you wish to take Issue with any Point I have made regarding the Work itself, you are free to do so; I will not, however, discuss myself further here.
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ExistenceWeSummonYou Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2013
I do not often check my account here and was not aware there was anything to respond to.

Regarding the categorization, I follow contemporary convention. If you go to the library, you will see writers like Dana Gioia (a formalist) shelved alongside writers like Zachary Schomburg (who writes in a style vaguely reminiscent of the above piece). Certainly there was a time when such a work could not be called poetry, but language changes over time. Open to a random page in the Oxford English Dictionary and you will see many entries attesting to this. Call this piece what you will - poetry, prose-poetry, flash fiction. Personally, I do not give a damn, only if I had categorized it as flash fiction there are others who would have raised an eyebrow.

Regarding the piece's incoherence, I am well aware that the narrative does not add up to a clear or linear story. This is intentional. It is (what is frequently referred to as) language poetry, inspired by writers such as John Ashbury and James Tate. I mean to give readers an experience with language that is emotionally impactful while being vague in its significations. Reading all the comments now, it seems to offer this to some readers, while others (most, no doubt) are indifferent and a few (apparently) are offended. This is as much as I could have hoped for.

Regarding the piece's grammar, again I am aware that it does not adhere to conventional syntactic constructions, and again this is intentional. For example, by omitting the determiner in the phrase "dead animal can swim" I intend to invoke a sense of language in a more primordial state; the phrase uses the sort of syntactic form you might hear from a toddler.

Your insistence on traditional grammar and an outdated use of the word "poetry" is what linguists contemptuously refer to as prescriptivism. However you are also resisting history, and there is always something admirable about that. I suggest that you be aware of what exactly it is that you are resisting and why. You are not as educated as you think you are. I only say this because I suspect you may be intelligent, perhaps even talented. A serious writer of literature these days must be well-read in philosophy, but particularly in the Philosophy of Language, writers like Wittgenstein, Davidson, Grice, Kripke, Chomsky, and at least a couple dozen others. If nothing else, it will put firmer ground when you offer such criticisms as you offer here.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
FAQ #873: What do I do when I disapprove of a Daily Deviation feature?

1. You may want to familiarize yourself with prose poetry, a form of literature that has been around for some time now.

2. Where the writer chooses to categorize their work is not associated with the quality of the piece.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
I am familiar with this Concept; it is as oxymoronical as 'Free Verse'. What the Symbolists wrote as poèmes en prose would have been better called something like 'Meditations' or 'Reflections', and this does not really resemble what I have read of them very strongly; further, I did not actually realise this was a Daily Deviation (and I have nowhere disputed its Right to be one, should whomever features them so choose); it caught my Eye for a Second, and I made what I thought would be a throwaway Remark on the misclassification of something which is very clearly prose Fiction as a Poem, and which has escalated rather astonishingly.
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Nichrysalis Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
Disagreeing with something does not make it so. It would be appreciated if, instead of continuing to leave your disapproval of the piece in the comments, that you take up your issue with the appropriate person, who in this case would be ^Beccalicious or $Moonbeam13.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013   Writer
I am yet to receive any Reply from the Artist, but will continue to defend my Statements; if the Artist does nothing, that is his Prerogative, and I shall not trouble him further.
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DreadedOne131 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
I would really call it a diamond in the rough.  Needs some polish.  Improvement, but it's made of the right amount of Carbon atoms and just needs some chipping to really bring out it's shine!  I came here to tell you what Existance is by the way, and not through poetry.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
Have you any Suggestions for how said Chippings would work?
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DreadedOne131 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
No one ever wants the chippings, that's sold cheap to INDUSTRIAL DIAMOND companies.  It's the finished gem that is kept.
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
You mistake me; I am asking you what refinements you might make to the Paragraph to improve it.
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SkyCanvas86 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

"dead animal can swim."

Is "animal" supposed to be singular or plural?

Singular: "A dead animal can swim." or "The dead animal can swim."

Plural: "dead animals can swim."

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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013   Writer
The Phrase remains ungrammatical whatever was meant.
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SkyCanvas86 Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I'll take that answer.
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DreadedOne131 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
I am sure I am good enough to remake this work.  But your insistence on correct English is a start!
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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
Are you missing a Word somewhere?
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DreadedOne131 Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013
Probably, but your last reply was not 100 percent correct English either.  You'll never make friends by insisting on foolish test of Grammatical Superiority like so much Sheldon Cooper. 
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer

It is called free verse for a reason ~ there are no rules. The writer is expressing something. Not everyone will understand what the writer expresses any more than everyone understands the nightly news or Nietzsche or Van Gogh in the same way. You see incoherence ~ I see simplicity and longing.

 

The writer of this piece isn't playing it safe. Anymore than Van Gogh played it safe. No one that ever does anything interesting plays it safe. Perhaps you prefer linear pragmatic thoughts with by-the-book grammar and walk-the-line imagery. You are entitled to write what you want and to read what you want and to think everyone else has nothing to say if they aren't expressing it the way you would. But, may I be so bold as to suggest that you dive a little deeper and see if you find something else?

 

Only viewing the surface of something will leave you frustrated most times. And, your need to call something you don't understand incoherent is something you should perhaps explore a little more. Maybe, try being a bit more like Diane Arbus when she photographed her images. She rearranged herself before her subjects instead of expecting her subjects to rearrange before her. This is good advice on so many levels.

 

My aunt was a well-respected early post-impressionistic painter and contemporary of Charles Reiffel and Donald Hord. As a child, my mother used to watch her paint and she always saw her aunt lift up her long skirt and look between her legs at what she had just been painting. She told my mom that it was always good to get a different perspective.

 

Might I suggest you do the same and read this once again.

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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
The Term 'Free Verse' itself is an Oxymoron, but this is not the Subject at Hand; this is not written in anything like Verse, it is simply Prose.

You may not be so bold as to suggest that, since your Suggestion is very much an ad personam Attack, as is the rest of the Paragraph; further, it does nothing to support the Claim that this is anything other than rather incoherent Prose.

I have, however, read it again; it is neither clearer nor more meaningful than before; some of the Ideas are rather nice, but they do not fit together — it's rather like Paint in various Colours, some of which are nice, dripped on a Canvas with no Pictre painted. It is, in other Words, something of an Ice Cream Koan.
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer

Do you agree that literature is a written form of art? And, that art is in the eye of the beholder?

 

While this is not in some traditional form of poetic verse, it is still more poetic than prose for its key inflection is imagery versus descriptive expression.

 

And, if you will notice that after poetry, the writer categorizes this work as "transgressive." Transgressive poetry as you know is meant to violate superficial boundaries. You have already stated that you quite agree with this when it comes to this work of art.

 

And, free verse transgressive poetry is just that ~ an open form. Not bound by anyone else's idea of how something "should" be.

 

So, this work of art is categorized as it should be, it is a transgressive poetry in free verse.

 

The problem is that you just don't care for it. It's not a problem with the work itself. You don't have to throw as many stones as you can at it to justify your opinion. Instead, just state that it isn't your cup of tea and why.

 

Try being constructive versus destructive.

 

But, as far as your main argument for disliking this work, it doesn't hold water. This work is categorized properly. Maybe, not in your opinion, but in the authors. And, that's all the really matters. Especially, in free verse.

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CountChristoph Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
I do not agree that 'Art' is in the Eye of the Beholder; an Art is a Craft, and I make my Remarks as a Craftsman.

I do not entirely know what you mean by its key 'Inflection' being 'Imagery'; do you mean 'Attribute'? An Inflection is generally something done to a Word to denote grammatical Function.

Please point to the Agreement with the Statement here mentioned I have previously made.

The Boundary between Poetry and Prose is not superficial, it is absolute. The two are different Things; confounding the one with the other is rather like confounding Orange with Blue.

The Term 'Free Verse' is an Oxymoron; 'Verse' is a Kind of Writing structured by Patterns of Language, Verse with no Structure therefore cannot exist, and any Arguments that it can do not hold Water, whatever you, or the Author, may say. This is not to say that there is no Value in Works which label themselves as 'Free Verse', but rather that they are something which has never been given a proper Name of its own.

I have never stated whether or not I liked this; I have given it a negative Review with which you very clearly disagree. If you would like to provide a Counteranalysis which refers to the Text to demonstrate it is not, in Fact, what I have said it is, I would be more than willing to read and consider it.
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Picassos-Bathroom Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2013   Writer
When I review something I don't care for, I always dive deeper to figure out why. I make the effort to be more constructive since we are here as a community of artists and writers to help each other grow.

Right?

Also, art is about ideas. I'm not the grammar police. If I see a typo when I am providing an in-depth critique, I'll point it out to be HELPFUL. Not for any other reason.

Spoiler Alert: you don't know it all. None of us do. Art is one of those things that you can't really definitively say is "good" or "bad." You can just say what you like or don't like something and why.

None of us are the ART POLICE.

I hear you trying so hard to be right in your assessment instead of just expressing what you see and feel. Neither of our opinions are going to define this writer any more than they could Virginia Woolf or William Blake. What our opinions of another's art are meant to do is to define who we are as artists.

So, did you get anything out of your discussion of this work that is going to inform your own work?

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